Questions asked of the applicants before the prayer:
1. Do you now acknowledge the doctrines, which have hitherto been taught to you, as being the truth and right foundation to salvation?
2. Do you also believe in and agree with the twelve articles of our Christian faith which comprise:
The Apostle's Creed
1. I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of Heaven and earth.
2. and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord
3 who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the virgin Mary,
4. suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried; He descended into Hell:
5 the third day He rose again from the dead.
6. He ascended into Heaven,
7. and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty.
8. from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
9. I believe in the Holy Spirit,
10. one holy Christian Church, the fellowship of saints,
11. the forgiveness of sins,
12. the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting.
(each repeats the Apostle's Creed)
3. Do you also desire the prayer of intercession of the pious that God may forgive and remit the sins committed by you in ignorance?
4. Do you desire to consecrate, give and sacrifice yourself to the Lord God in the covenant of Christian baptism?
Here follows the prayer. (after this prayer, while kneeling, follow these six questions:)
1. Do you now sufficiently understand the word of God and acknowledge it as the only path to life eternal?
2. Do you also truly and heartily repent of the sins which you have in ignorance committed against God and do you desire henceforth to fear God, nevermore to sin against God, and rather to suffer death than than ever again to sin willfully against God?
3. Do you also believe that your sins have been forgiven and remitted through Christ and the prayer if intercession of His people?
4. Is it also your desire to accept brotherly punishment and admonition and also to apply the same to others when it is needful?
5. Do you desire thus to consecrate, five and sacrifice yourself with soul and body and all your possessions to the Lord in Heaven, and to be obedient unto Christ and His church?
6. Do you desire thus to establish a covenant with God and all His people and to be baptized upon your confessed belief?
(Note: all of these questions must be answered "yes")
(The minister, laying on his hands and sprinkling with water, speaks the following words:)
"On thy confessed belief I baptize thee, in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. God Almighty in heaven who has given you grace and mercy through the death of Christ and the prayer of His Saints may clothe you with fortitude from on high and inscribe your name into the book of eternal life, to preserve thee in piety and faith until death, this is my wish to thee through Jesus Christ. Amen
(For a little more information click on the link, http://www.hutterites.org/our-beliefs/baptism/ this is a website written by Hutterites,)
♫ This is basically me writing out my random thoughts...so if some of my thoughts seem a bit off the wall, well...that's why it's called off the wollman, ♪ plus it's a play on my own name! ♫ •*´¨♥¸.• ♥ ´*.*♥¸.
Thursday, 10 October 2013
Tuesday, 8 October 2013
My thoughts on "Hutterites, the nine our story to freedom"
Well, I am not sure how I am going to start with this book,
so I will just write it as it comes to mind. I had been anticipating reading
it, and now that I finished it, I have to say it didn't disappoint, it was
exactly as I had thought it would be, a sad bitter unforgiving story, there is drama, there is intrigue, at times it is funny...but....the underlying fact is bitterness. For once,
just once I want to read a book by an ex-hutterite that would be truly honest
and write all the facts and the truth, and not just their side of it, as we all know the
truth has 3 sides, your side, my side and then the actual truth. One of my
friends read the book and said: “how sad, the colony must have somehow failed
them when they were children” I am more of the mind that they failed the
colony.
They have before and after pictures in the book. This is
almost funny, I wonder how long they searched through their old photos to find
the somber sad ones they used for the before pictures. And then the one they
used for the after, happy, joyful, dancing, water-skiing, all things they were
not allowed to do in the colony. (and I might add a lot which are not approved of at all, eg: dancing.....) According
to them, we who are still in community are sad, depressed and missing out on
all the wonderful things the “world” has to offer! Pardon me if I don’t feel
that way, rather I feel sorry for them who find small worthless passing of time
this world has to offer.
They start the book off with a dedication to Jesus, and
continue it with: “that they the nine,
are presenting this work with the love of God, in truth without any bitterness,
unforgiveness or resentment towards the Hutterites” well, I am sorry but I
missed the parts where they presented it as such! There is a lot of underlying
bitterness and hurt (that may or may not be justified) they claim that what
they wrote is the truth, well; I am not going to deny that some truth may be
present in what they wrote, but leaving out a whole lot of other truths, can
and will distort the whole picture. One of my sister-in-laws’s when she read
the book, put it aside and said: “where are the ‘born again Christians’ that
are supposedly writing this book? I cannot see forgiveness at all!”
I am going to put down my thoughts and feelings as best as I
can, I will try (and I say try because I already know I won’t quite succeed...)
not to be too sarcastic as I write.....
No.1, this one thing irked a friend of mine to no end. “Each
(of the nine) of them had to be taught how to clearly and effectively
communicate, to relate and express his or her heart socially. The very basics
had to be taught, including clothing, proper hygiene, and etiquette” !!!! What?! Taught proper hygiene? Etiquette? Where
were they raised? And how? Where were their parents? Each and every child in
the colony gets taught that by their parents and the German school teacher. Each
and every one of us know the song by heart, “Beim tisch gebet sei ernst” a song that verse by verse teaches hygiene
and etiquette! When I went to German
school we had what our German school teacher called health inspection, we had
to have a handkerchief, clean nails,
brushed teeth, soapy clean fresh washed hands and face, combed hair. And woe
betide the student that forgot, a sufficient scolding and shaming was what we
got...now I don’t know if every German school teacher did that, but I know our
parents didn't let us out of the house if we hadn't done that. As I said I don’t know if everybody did that,
but I can’t believe the nine weren't taught proper hygiene at all.
One would think when reading this book; the colony was/is a
depressing way of life. I won’t deny some of what they said wasn’t/isn’t true,
but I am going to talk about some of what they said.
Gossip and slander....now this is true, I know I have done
it, and it is being done. There really is no excuse but I will try and
explain. We are human, we stumble and we
fall, and yes, we gossip and talk about people behind their backs. but does that in itself not tell you that we are not mindless robots under control, that we are free to speak out minds? (not that that makes it right...) Most of the
gossip is harmless, and not all gossip is evil. come on, we all do it, as for
slander yes, that happens too, but what they didn't mention is that most of the
time, when we do that, we come back to the person we hurt and we ask for
forgiveness. And it makes you wonder, why isn't it mentioned at all? Or would
that defeat the purpose of the book? In
a colony we are all expected as much as we can to pull our own weight, by
helping out as much as we can. If a person is ill or can’t for one reason or
another, we help out, but if a person can and doesn't, trust me, he or she will
get to hear about it. For example, if we have a heavy work day in the garden or
slaughter house and someone is missing, who says they are sick, fine, but if
the said someone is at home cleaning her house or dusting rugs or the next day
is wearing the newest dress which was just shared, they will hear about it. And
yes, this happens. And then try not to gossip
or say anything. The proper way to go about it, if it happens more than once is
to let the leader (in this case the minister) talk to this person. But for the
truly sick, it’s another story, and even those who can’t help out, try to and
help out in other ways. If they for some reason or another can’t be in the
garden to pick string beans, they will always ask for a basket of beans to clip
the tops and ends. So to conclude yes, there is talk and gossip, but we do make
things right. To the one girl that ‘took a midol to go to work’ because she didn't
want others to talk about her if she missed work, I am pretty sure that even
now she takes a midol to go to work. Of course
now if she misses too much work, she doesn't get paid. So yes, I’m pretty sure
she still takes that midol to work.
The drinking...yes there is that, and again, we are not
perfect, (although why someone would tell the whole world her father was an alcoholic
is beyond me. Underage drinking is not
approved of no matter what they say. Not saying it isn't done, but can anyone
tell me if, they have a 16, 18 year old son, and they have a hard day’s work
they won’t share a beer with them? I am not going to downplay the seriousness
of drinking and the consequences but I will also not say nothing is being done
about it. If a certain member has a drinking problem he will be questioned and
in some cases there are those who have joined AA. And yes we do care when
someone has an addiction, and our ministers are there to help.
To those that felt they were restricted in their Christian growth,
why? Was it because their beliefs were contrary to the colony’s? When we live
in the community and are baptized in it, we are expected to uphold and live the
convictions of that community, when personal gain and income is contrary to the
teachings of the colony, yes you can be expected to be reprimanded and
admonished. There is no room for individuals to live according to how they want
and work only for their own ends and the colony’s gain is put aside. For how
can a colony go forward if its members only care for their own gain? Who will
take care of those who can’t? Which brings
to point the story of being locked out of the garden, if you’re there for
personal gain, what is left for the colony’s? I know as a child we were not
permitted to go into the strawberry patch, (also because of damage done to the
plants) unless the German school teacher was there with us. One wonders what is
not being told when they tell of sneaking out for a “few ears of corn” was it
truly only for a snack, or was it for more? Many a colony has gone to financial
ruin because members have been more concerned with making money on the sly for
themselves than putting it into the community. To be fair, maybe that is all
they wanted was an ear or two to eat at night, but from experience, there is
the stealing and gaining for personal use that is a problem. And even though it
isn't mentioned here, I think it can be said was the reason for it.
There are so many things that I want to touch upon yet, but
this is long enough already, I will try and discuss some other points later. But
I do want to comment upon Glenda’s story
a bit. Dear Glenda, really, can you really truly not
understand why your parents do not acknowledge your marriage to a divorced man?
Our English school teacher said: “I am not a Hutterite but even I can see why
her parents would have a problem with her marriage.” You quote so many biblical
verses to justify your marriage but you deliberately and conveniently omit
Jesus further sayings on the subject of divorce. Yes Jesus did allow for
divorce “except it be for adultery” but He did NOT allow for remarriage. "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her; and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery" (Mark 10:11-12). (whoever means anybody and everybody, NO exceptions) In all that we can safely presume that God wants us to forgive the erring spouse, He did allow divorce in cases of adultery, but that wasn't mandatory, how many times did He say we should forgive? As for Paul: he
is NOT saying that when someone deserts his/her partner that the deserted are free to remarry, he is only saying they
are not ‘enslaved’ (bound) to that marriage. Let them go and so remain. Now we can quote and misquote bible verses
back and forth, but the fact remains that God does not change neither does His
word. He absolutely hated divorce then and He does so now. I am sorry for you Glenda, but do not presume
to think that your parents actually hate you; they may hate the fact that you
did marry a divorce man, and they grieve for you, but in all that they still
love you. As a ministers daughter you
could and should have been more compassionate to their beliefs and convictions.
Of course this is your story, but in no
way do you at all consider how they must feel. I think I can safely say they
are praying for their daughter daily, and that they do love her.
An underlying note that is foremost when reading this book that
is strongly noticed and that is a rebellious spirit, under no circumstance did
these young people actually try to commit to the colony and it’s teachings at
all, there is complaining to no end, is it when the colony entrusted them with
a job, (even when it was the one they didn’t want) or where ever they could. The
sacredness of church, our dress, our baptism is being mocked. These are all
things I want to comment on but will do so later, as not to make this blog so
long. Please feel free to comment and I will try to answer any questions.
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